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Re: Where to Hole Up
« Reply #15 on Jun 30, 2012, 1:59pm »

Move to the country in Oklahoma ...I did!

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Re: Where to Hole Up
« Reply #16 on Jul 2, 2012, 1:46am »

Naw, find some land in Arizona that has water.

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Re: Where to Hole Up
« Reply #17 on Jul 15, 2012, 2:19pm »

Where I would go would entirely depend on the situation. If it was just me and a few others (eg Quiet Earth, Earth Abides etc) then a supermarket or mall could be sensible, especially if you are looking to meet up with other people.

If there was rioting on the streets and people fighting over the basics I have to say I'd be tempted to go to the harbour and steal a fishing boat if there are any left, try and get to sea until things have calmed down. There are several areas along the coast which are beaches cut off by cliffs on all sides which could make a handy base. Boats make perfect sense to me because you can be on the move and provided the sea is not contaminated you have a food supply wherever you go and you can look around for an island. Of course, you would also need the ability to make drinking water from seawater so you would need fuel to boil it so the goal should always be finding a water supply.

If it was nuclear then thankfully I'd probably not survive it since I live a couple of miles from a nuclear powerstation which would be a likely target. Don't really fancy dying slowly of radiation poisoning so I'd rather just die in the blast.

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Re: Where to Hole Up
« Reply #18 on Aug 13, 2012, 4:52pm »

Rushing off to Wally World or the like in a PA scenario seems like a complete prep-fail to me. In times of distaster, these types of retail outlets have historically been pretty much stripped bare in no time. Hordes of people will be trying to get in to buy as much food, water and other supplies as they can. Your competition for those supplies will be huge to say the least.

Not to mention some of the x-factors in that plan...
If the power goes out, and they can't use their cash registers - do you think they're going to let people just walk out with goods? They'll be doing everything they can to usher people out of the stores, locking the doors behind the customers, and calling for security/police to make a display out front. Every Christmas, wal-mart closes for it's only day of the year. And they have hired security guards outside of the doors. I would expect no different if things were worse off than just christmas.

Suppose you are one of the folks that think you'll just break in and take stuff. You and probably half of the population around you will be doing the same thing. It will basically be a looting-riot, and I would highly doubt you would make it out with much more than an armload of supplies per person, if anything. And that brings us to...

Transportation - to and from will likely be grid-lock. If the world is burning to pieces all around me, I dont think I'll feel like spending hours in my car, listening to my kids whine as they hold bottles of water on their lap. Reality being - ditching the car and leaving on foot will likely be necessary. Both for time constraints with the prevailing post-apocalypse nasties around you, running out of gas, and the ever-growing pressure of hostile people starting to steal, assault and kill around you and your family.

If you do, by some miracle of a chance, manage to make it back to your home with your armloads of goods... How long will you be set for? They recommend 1 gallon of water, per day, per person. Forgetting everything else - how much water do you think you could carry to your car, or hike back home with? A gallon of water weighs 8.35 lbs. How much weight could you carry for a long distance? 80lbs? 100lbs? 120lbs? All the while, you'll be slow, clumbersome, and have a very hard time defending yourself from other wanna-be rambo's that will just assume shoot you and take your shit.

But let's say you make it back home safely. 8.35lbs per 1 gallon of water, x 14 days = 116.9lbs of weight. You risked your life about a dozen times over in a short period of time, to gain 14 days of water? Not to mention you didn't pick up any food, toilet paper, candles, etc? It just screams prep-fail to me.

I would strongly advocate that you prep now to avoid having to raid later, or at least - put it off for as long as possible. If you feel like the concrete jungle is your home and you don't want to leave it - than okay, stick with it. But realize that you may be facing more challenges than you would if you were in a remote area. A tall city apartment building would likely be very cold in the winter months with no power, high wind-exposure, etc.

I think if I lived in an apartment complex in a busy city, my first goal would be to be able to lay-low for as long as possible. There was a series of specials on tv (I think the Discovery channel, but I'm not positive) about a year ago or so that used modern historic information to best predict what life would be like in a PA event for people. Stores would be stripped bare within 3 days, the more valuable items such as food, water, etc. within a few hours. Within the later part of a week without power or government structure, riots would take place. Electrical engineers will likely be with their families, not punching in the ol' time clock to work their 9-5. Garbage collection services would halt. Garbage would pile up in the streets, sanitation will drop, people will die. Dead bodies would require too much effort to bury in the city, let alone the risk to handle them, so many will likely be left where they are. Pets will die from starvation, dehydration, heat stroke, etc. when not being taken care of by their dead owners. Within a month, sanitation will be a major concern and many who were originally wanting to stay put in the cities will be forced to evacuate to safer places. Once the food is gone in a large urban environment, you have little means to grow a garden, raise cattle, etc. Once disease, lack of food, clean water, and the odor of the dead have left a thick layer of inhospitable filth on the city, most people will leave, or accept death.

If you can hold out in your concrete hole for say, 2 months. Without allowing raiders to find your location, let-alone gain access to it... Living out-of-sight, out-of-mind and waiting out everyone else, you may be able to claim a building to yourself. If the structure is still sound, you bet, a modern skyscraper, tall apartment complex, etc. can basically be a castle against small-armed raiders.

If you want to survive in the city, I would recommend doing what I discribed above. Maybe aiming for 6 months worth of food and water, a means to purify other water sources, a waste disposal plan, comms with other friendlies, etc.

But the big risk, is the added difficulties you'll face, the fact that raiding, riots, and violent crime will be much more concentrated in the city than in rural areas. And if you eventually decide to leave the city because it wasn't what you thought it'd be... you'd likely be facing an almost scorched-earth effect on the land away from the city, as thousands, if not millions of people before you, have consumed and polluted everything as they left before you. If you finally make it to a greener side of the fence, miles away from the city... expect many small communitied to have bound together by this point, and likely not accepting 'outsiders' or even shooting them on site to take what you have.

If your going to rough it out in the city - make sure your able to plan and prep for it. And commit to it. I think the people who live in the extremely rural areas will have the most upper-hand in a PA world. Those who can rough out the first few months in the cities will be doing alright afterwards too, if they can find means for water purification, growing food, etc.

The late-to-leave city people, or the middle-ground semi-rural places will likely be the war-zone so to speak, between the haves and have-nots where I would expect to see the most violence following the riots in the cities.

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Re: Where to Hole Up
« Reply #19 on Sept 27, 2012, 3:27pm »

I was raised in northwest Wyoming. Thats where I would go. Enough game to live off the land and I already know what wild and safe to eat.

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Re: Where to Hole Up
« Reply #20 on Sept 27, 2012, 8:53pm »

Sept 27, 2012, 3:27pm, dmackey wrote:

I was raised in northwest Wyoming. Thats where I would go. Enough game to live off the land and I already know what wild and safe to eat.

Cold as hell in the winter though. I spent 4 years in Jackson. oldest I saw was 59 below, static temp, with no wind chill. ::)

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Re: Where to Hole Up
« Reply #21 on Sept 28, 2012, 10:57am »

Always easier to keep warm than to keep cool. Heck you can survive a cold night by building a snow shelter and lighting a candle, true thats if you know the proper way to build the shelter.
The best thing is that the whole state has less than a million people. I live in Indianapolis now, it has more people than the whole state of wyoming.

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Re: Where to Hole Up
« Reply #22 on Oct 8, 2012, 3:28pm »

I would say try depots for arms and supplies. I have a NG depot not to far away that could be useful.

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Re: Where to Hole Up
« Reply #23 on Mar 6, 2013, 10:56am »

Hey everyone I am new on this forum . I just wanted to say hey and give my opinion on what I personally think is a good idea for shelter/water/food. I believe preparing at home is the best thing. Out fitting your house for rolldown windows , doors , heavy duty locks on doors and windows. also food ,water and mainly shelter. Being able to grow your own crops year round and stock up on food and Non-perishables. The plus side also is knowing your neighborhood in case you have to evacuate your home. Maybe have a plan b shelter, and or put bug out supplies in a container hidden somewhere near your shelter. I'm so glad there's a website like this and any input is good. Thanks

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Re: Where to Hole Up
« Reply #24 on May 13, 2013, 2:24pm »

I think wooded areas like In Minnesota would be a great area for preppers.

When SHTF people who have a nice lil fort in the middle of the woods will be highly protected for the following reasons

1. Hiding
It will be crucial to hide your location and supplies when SHTF and wooded areas would be great places to hide, you have the choice to attack or remain undiscovered. Much harder to do in the citys or urban areas

2. Game
In my area i am surrounded by forests and lakes, filled with game and fish as long you know how to hunt your set.

3. Water
In my location at least theres a bunch of lakes so water wouldn't be a problem with some water filtering

4. Wood (no brainer)
In the city eventually finding fuel can be difficult while in the forest theres wood everywhere!

5. Transportation
Moving tho the trees can be fast, efficient, and silent with practice

On the other hand citys have perks as well but most of them are short term but useful to someone who isn't prepared

Bottom line forests would be the best location for the preppers.

I went tho the basics perks but both city's and forest areas have disadvantages. The best area depends on your skills

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