Joined: May 2012 Gender: Female Posts: 93 Location: California, USA Karma: 5
Re: Escaping the city « Reply #30 on Jun 4, 2012, 10:28am »
(In reply to your first post, Morg;) I've simply accepted the ideal that I'll have to bug out, and I've never given myself (in these scenarios) the ease of being able to simply DRIVE out. I've always assumed I'd walk it, and have been developing my route every day since I moved down here. (I live in San Francisco now, and I may as well be living on a giant target sheet.) There's a very simple route that will take me east, however the oakland bridge is one of the first few bridges that will most likely suffer from either earthquakes caused by nuclear detonation, air-to-ground missile attacks, or be overrun by the yuppies trying to escape their deaths. Now in the event of a foreign invader, there won't be many people heading south out of frisco, since most of the bridges are to the north and to the east, so for at least the first few days I'll be safe to travel south through San Diego and then head east towards Nevada. There's a small town called Pollock Pines that I'm able to meet up with my partners in, and that'll be my main objective as far as a last town before the Forests.
I've digressed a little from my initial thought process... lemme back up.
I think the 4-wheeler (if you mean the ATV-mountain-bike thingie, but with four wheels) is a GREAT idea, I hear they have excellent gas mileage on the road and they pull up to 500 lbs. I also have a dog, though, and as much as I love her I don't know if I'll be able to get her out of the city AND feed her AND give her water during my exodus. So I may have to leave her. (I won't know until the SHTF but that [hopefully] a long ways off.) In regards to your shotgun comment, I think it's a good idea to always have a compact, effective weapon, but from your description you'll be carrying around three, am I correct? This is too many in my opinion, as the carbine is enough to complete any task given to it. It's reliable for hunting, and even if the gun is low-caliber, it's still going to be a very effective deterrent to theft or any other interaction. Not to mention the hundreds of rounds of ammunition you'll need, if you intend to hunt with them. You don't want to take up half your weight in guns and ammo.
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Joined: Nov 2010 Gender: Male Posts: 490 Location: Arizona Karma: 25
Re: Escaping the city « Reply #31 on Aug 4, 2012, 11:52am »
I did a little homework on water along my intended route, looking at worse-case scenario, which would be having to hoof it, EMP or similiar has wiped out vehicular transport. From my place in PHX to Sedona is approximately 240 klicks or 150 miles. That is not as the crow flies, but following existing trails. There are a number of lakes and springs shown on the map, but I really need to check out the area to see what's actually viable. It's rough country, and realistically, having not had a pack on in awhile, 10 miles a day is about all I could expect to do, although I'm pretty tough and really think I could do 15 miles a day for 3 days, then rest for a day. Something to think about. Regardless, it would take 15 to 20 days to walk the entire distance, and that's if everything went right.
One big issue is following the Verde river - just because it shows trails there doesn't mean they are there, plus it cuts straight through the Indian Reservation, and in such a scenario the Salt River Apache might not be thrilled about a white man passing through. If I were in the truck, or on an ATV, an extra weapon like my shotgun would be a good investment, but if I had to hoof it it would be my .30 carbine and my SIG - the lightest weapons I own, although I have to say, after finally shooting my 1911 the other day, I am rethinking that. I am looking at adding a holster to the frame of my M1941 pack, behind the back, and carrying the 1911 in a M1912 cavalry style holster so it rides below the pack frame. I have ultimate faith in the 1911 now - even though I love the SIG, but would have a hard time leaving the SIG behind - it'd be great as a hideout or handout gun for a second person. The 1911 is heavy as hell, but is a real argument stopper. If I could only choose one weapon to take into the 'pockylips' it'd be this 1911, despite the weight. My great uncle carried a 1911 and an M1 carbine across 2 continents during WWII and came back alive, which says a lot. I think they would get me 200 miles no problem.
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Joined: Apr 2010 Gender: Male Posts: 1,884 Location: The Mojave Waste Karma: 23
Re: Escaping the city « Reply #32 on Aug 5, 2012, 7:45pm »
The more I hear about that place I plan to bug out to the less good it sounds. I'll have to just make it a way point for now and see about hiding a cache up there.
Joined: Nov 2010 Gender: Male Posts: 490 Location: Arizona Karma: 25
Re: Escaping the city « Reply #33 on Sept 8, 2012, 8:35am »
Some very good points, but let me respond to a few.
A.) The .223 is indeed a better cartridge, but the M1 collapsible stock I have is more concealable and quickly deployable. Also, if my carbine were stolen while living in this shithole I'd be out $400 instead of $800 or more. The carbine would also stand out in a pawn shop. (It's the unusual Plainfield 'para' variant.)
B.) The bicycle was used by the NVA and VC to great advantage and I agree with you. I have, in fact, a steel framed Mt bike I got free off the side of the road - it's very good quality, lugged frame, good crank, but needs to be rebuilt. My plan is pannier racks built out of the packs I have the most of - M1941s or ALICE. It's a work in progress - I'm in the tear down the bike and repaint the frame stage, so a long way to go. Damn thing is purple at the moment, and no self-respecting PA warrior would be seen dead on it.
C.) I agree that the lighter weight Commander would be a better choice. That's why my SIG P6 is my choice for bugging out. My comments about the 1911 refer to having ONE gun, and I have to say, there is something about the standard 1911 that you just KNOW you are going to be okay when you have that thing in your hand. Sorry, but my accurized, Camp Perry 1945 Remington Rand would still be on my hip daily if TEOTWAWKI came, not the SIG. The SIG is light enough to stay in the pack or ride on the frame behind my back as a 'hand out' or back up weapon. Frankly, I plan on taking the carbine home to my BOL and likely will have nothing but the SIG here, maybe keep the .22 and the shotgun. The shotgun will go behind the seat of the truck, but I'd like to trade it for a Benelli Nova because they are so light.
C.) Personally I am not a fan of the Carbon 15 after hearing about several failures with them. A standard CAR-15 lightweight weighs 5.5# unloaded. Hell, my 1966 XM16E1 only weighs 6.5# unloaded. There is not reason to go lighter, just smaller. I'll trade a little weight for reliability.
D.) Diamondback weighs 11 oz? I'm sure you aren't talking Colt here - got a link? I like the Taurus polymer revolvers and my buddy has a .380 Smith bodyguard with built in laser that is nothing short of fantastic. I think maintaining a low profile is primary consideration. I'm talking Carhartt instead of camo. Welcome to the forum BTW.
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Let me tell you a little test I used to use to show guys what it means to be really good with a pistol. Hold 2 soda cans in the hand that you use to "clear" your concealing garment. Toss them up and out a bit in front of you with that hand. Draw and hit them both in midair. If you think it's so easy, try it first with ONE can.
Two ? Thats NOTHING. I used to teach the Dagenham Girl Pipers and I would have THEM able to be blindfolded and juggling FOUR cans with one hand and able to shoot a hole in the bottom of each one whilst all singing the theme song from Bonanaza and whilst using flint-lock pistols.
there are 2 types of folding stock for the AR-15. One, you have to get the piston gas system, which I'd never bother with. The other one, you can't fire the gun from the folded position, without probably wrecking it. If you SO good with the 1911, why don't you just rely on it, until you can unfold the AR?
The only side folding AR's available are the ZF weapons upper, which has the BUFFER system in the upper and is far more than a simple piston AR, or a .22 LR chambered AR that is built w/o a buffer system. Problematic usually. Other than that, an AR requires a buffer tube. There's a reason they have collapsible stocks rather than side folding ones. What? were you looking at your toy airsoft gun or something? Because I HAVE seen some AR pattern airsoft guns like that.
tistine is a troll. No matter what you say, he will find a way to ridicule it. I encourage everyone to simply boycott him. Witness the responses I got from him. He's not worth the effort.
Let me tell you a little test I used to use to show guys what it means to be really good with a pistol. Hold 2 soda cans in the hand that you use to "clear" your concealing garment. Toss them up and out a bit in front of you with that hand. Draw and hit them both in midair. If you think it's so easy, try it first with ONE can.
LOL !!! Two ? Thats NOTHING. I used to teach the Dagenham Girl Pipers and I would have THEM able to be blindfolded and juggling FOUR cans with one hand and able to shoot a hole in the bottom of each one whilst all singing the theme song from Bonanaza and whilst using flint-lock pistols.
tistine is a troll. No matter what you say, he will find a way to ridicule it. I encourage everyone to simply boycott him. Witness the responses I got from him. He's not worth the effort.
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