No there is no difference if they have a weapon on you or not if the intent isn't there. I have been held up at knife point and all they wanted was money, there was no intent to actually hurt anyone- but at the same time that was not a risk I was going to take. If I had produced a knife or gun from my handbag things could have turned bloody and who is to say I would have come off better? It is not worth spilling blood over material things (not yet anyway, maybe after the bombs fall ). It would be different if there was a threat of rape or death but that is a lot less likely to happen.
I think one reason we have such a cultural difference between the two countries is that a lot of places in the US still have the death penalty so still have that 'eye for an eye' mentality. Over here it has been gone so long that most of us can't understand the appeal of state sanctioned execution and find it repellant so are hardly chomping at the bit to perform it ourselves.
Exactly. Killing someone for something as petty as stealing not only brings you down to their level but it's needlessly barbaric. To make the decision on weather someone should live or not shouldn't depend on the victim of the crime, they are bound to have a clouded view. Obviously, if it were a life or death situation then it's entirely different, but most of the time that isn't the case.
There isn't a difference if they have a weapon on you. If you are stealing someone else property you should accept the consequence of what you are doing.
No they wouldn't.
We must be living on 2 different planets then. I have heard plaenty of tales of people being killed for no reason, be they in their bed, playing in a school yard, or at work in the morning. I am paranoid, but I have reason to be, people are not predictable. There are plenty of people that kill other just for the heck of it, this world of ours, is not for the faint of heart.
There isn't always intent at all. A lot more people will threaten to kill someone than are actually capable of doing so.
Yes they would. A man with a gun fighting a man with a knife, who would win nearly every time?
That's because you live in america where anyone can get their hands on a gun and i live in the UK where it's a little more difficult.
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Re: Oh "Great" Britain « Reply #31 on Jan 21, 2011, 7:02pm »
It's doesn't matter if there is intent, the violence is still there. If someone threatens my life I will do my best to either hurt or kill them. I don't give a fuck what their reasons are they are threatening me and trying to take something of mine that I worked for with my sweat and blood, they have NO right to take MY stuff and expect me to just lay over and take it in the ass. They want my stuff for either drugs or liquor, a tiny amount maybe trying to do something to help someone else.
No it wouldn't, man man with a knife is gonna be just as dangerous. Thieves don't tend to weigh 400 pounds and move using a rascal. And they are coming at with you with a knife chances are they are high on something.
No it's not, there is crime all over the planet. Just because normal people in your country have a hard time getting weapons doesn't mean criminals do.
Re: Oh "Great" Britain « Reply #32 on Jan 24, 2011, 6:33am »
Yes there is crime all over the planet but each country has different kinds of crime and it is presumptuous for you to assume that your knowledge of American crime can give you an idea of the sorts of crime that happen over here. Here in the UK the most common 'random' violence like the kind you were talking about above is drunken people starting fights in the street, so you are much more likely to read about someone who has died from head injuries just from being punched than someone who got shot in their own home. In cases where the murderer has a weapon it is almost always a planned murder where victim and murderer knew each other. The only murderer I know personally strangled his wife with one of her own scarves- so as this demonstrates, if your mind is set on something it doesn't matter that you can't get ahold of a gun, there are plenty of other day to day items that can be used as a weapon and no law force in the world could stop them from happening. Generally with thieves there is no intent for violence- why do you think so many burglars scope a place out beforehand, or tiptoe about the place if they think someone might be inside? It would be easier to just knock down the front door while the family were at breakfast and gun them down, but this does not happen. Whether it is their own morals or fear of being held accountable for a more serious crime burglars (over here at least) really do try and avoid violence.
Over here I feel comfortable walking around big cities at night, and indeed have had to stay all night in London after missing my train home, and I would be able to sleep okay if I kept my front door unlocked (although I won't because a) insurance won't cover it and b) that's tempting fate ) and I'm really not fearing so much for my life that I think a gun would help me sleep any easier.
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Re: Oh "Great" Britain « Reply #33 on Jan 24, 2011, 6:27pm »
If you use or have a weapon in a robbery, that in itself intent. If you rob someone they have the right to defend they property, burglars by no means make up most thieves. And people breaking down the front door then killing everyone in the house does happen.
I live in a area that is fairly white collar, my neighborhood doesn't have a gang on it. But that means jack shit, there has been a beat-in in front of my house before. To trust other people to all be kind and lovely dovey all the time is to temp fate. I sleep surrounded by weapons all around(but sadly no guns:( been thinking about getting them from my grandfathers gun safe) me and I still don't feel safe. Just because you are at home doesn't mean your safe, there was a case a while back that showed that on the east coast. http://www.metrolic.com/death-penalty-as....er-case-144069/
This is it, while crime may differ from region to region. That does not mean that there aren't people out there that will kill you for no reason.
Oh what a cold repetitive world we do live in. The bad people every circling, waiting just waiting. The good, blissfully unaware. Till they are made aware, with crimson stains on their floors. Or broken minds, shattered as the glass of the window. Which the bad people did come in.
If you use or have a weapon in a robbery, that in itself intent. If you rob someone they have the right to defend they property, burglars by no means make up most thieves. And people breaking down the front door then killing everyone in the house does happen.
I live in a area that is fairly white collar, my neighborhood doesn't have a gang on it. But that means jack shit, there has been a beat-in in front of my house before. To trust other people to all be kind and lovely dovey all the time is to temp fate. I sleep surrounded by weapons all around(but sadly no guns:( been thinking about getting them from my grandfathers gun safe) me and I still don't feel safe. Just because you are at home doesn't mean your safe, there was a case a while back that showed that on the east coast. http://www.metrolic.com/death-penalty-as....er-case-144069/
This is it, while crime may differ from region to region. That does not mean that there aren't people out there that will kill you for no reason.
Oh what a cold repetitive world we do live in. The bad people every circling, waiting just waiting. The good, blissfully unaware. Till they are made aware, with crimson stains on their floors. Or broken minds, shattered as the glass of the window. Which the bad people did come in.
Using a weapon in a robbery is not intent down to the very meaning of the word intent, which i think you misunderstand.
I'm not saying that there is no need for you to protect yourself, if that's what makes you feel comfortable then sure. But this argument seems mainly sparked by patriotism on your part (or at least is often the case in other similar arguments), why be patriotic for a country where you have to sleep with weapons to feel safe at night? Because life shouldn't be like that. Random break ins and murders pretty much don't happen here. Sure, there are times where a house is robbed and the victim is murdered, but do you realise how rare things like that are here? I can't remember that happening in the past 3 or 4 years, because things like that always make it to the news.
If you use or have a weapon in a robbery, that in itself intent. If you rob someone they have the right to defend they property, burglars by no means make up most thieves. And people breaking down the front door then killing everyone in the house does happen.
I live in a area that is fairly white collar, my neighborhood doesn't have a gang on it. But that means jack shit, there has been a beat-in in front of my house before. To trust other people to all be kind and lovely dovey all the time is to temp fate. I sleep surrounded by weapons all around(but sadly no guns:( been thinking about getting them from my grandfathers gun safe) me and I still don't feel safe. Just because you are at home doesn't mean your safe, there was a case a while back that showed that on the east coast. http://www.metrolic.com/death-penalty-as....er-case-144069/
This is it, while crime may differ from region to region. That does not mean that there aren't people out there that will kill you for no reason.
Oh what a cold repetitive world we do live in. The bad people every circling, waiting just waiting. The good, blissfully unaware. Till they are made aware, with crimson stains on their floors. Or broken minds, shattered as the glass of the window. Which the bad people did come in.
Using a weapon in a robbery is not intent down to the very meaning of the word intent, which i think you misunderstand.
I'm not saying that there is no need for you to protect yourself, if that's what makes you feel comfortable then sure. But this argument seems mainly sparked by patriotism on your part (or at least is often the case in other similar arguments), why be patriotic for a country where you have to sleep with weapons to feel safe at night? Because life shouldn't be like that. Random break ins and murders pretty much don't happen here. Sure, there are times where a house is robbed and the victim is murdered, but do you realise how rare things like that are here? I can't remember that happening in the past 3 or 4 years, because things like that always make it to the news.
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